Are math Olympiads overrated

  • 07.03.2007, 21:17 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 1

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Hi
    I have a rather general question ... hope that this topic doesn't exist yet and that I have posted it in the right place (if not, don't hesitate to postpone it, dear admins )
    I just wanted to ask whether you need math talent to play better chess?
    I've been playing schac intensively for about a month now (at least I think the rules ... have been around for a while ) and just not getting any better ... and then I asked myself whether it might have something to do with ...
    i'm not an absolute nut in mathematics, but i'll never be a genius ; in short, i am in the lower midfield in this area

    thank you in advance
    cu lanthy

  • 07.03.2007, 10:42 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 2

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    No. It's not a disadvantage, but chess is another, extensive corner. A life quest with several levels. Patience is a requirement.


  • 07.03.2007, 22:53 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 3

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    I studied math myself (unfortunately only 4 New Years Eve).
    But I play chess like in the 5th grade.
    I think it helps to have some logic and imagination. however, chess is a different department. Chess is just a practice game (knowledge doesn't hurt, however).


  • 03/08/2007, 09:03 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 4

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by lanthy92
    Hi
    I have a rather general question ... hope that this topic doesn't exist yet and that I have posted it in the right place (if not, don't hesitate to postpone it, dear admins )
    I just wanted to ask whether you need math talent to play better chess?
    I've been playing Schac intensively for about a month now (at least I think the rules ... have been around for a while ) and just not getting any better ... and then I asked myself whether it might have something to do with ...
    i'm not an absolute nut at mathematics, but i'll never be a genius ; in short, i am in the lower midfield in this area

    thank you in advance
    cu lanthy

    I have to say that I'm not the best at maths either, but I'm still quite good at chess (play first board on my team) ...

    P.S .: Lasker was a professor of mathematics and physics and Kasparov is of the opinion that you don't have to be too good at math to play CHESS well

  • 03/08/2007, 09:38 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 5

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    My experience is that many chess players have a particularly good spatial imagination. Many mathematicians have that too. As is so often the case, however, this is nothing more than an interesting correlation and no tangible indication of a causal connection ...

    What the daily bread of a mathematician (well, let's say, everyone who happens to be busy with mathematics) is thought of the kind ... "What happens if ..." "Which variants result ..." "How do I weight factor A ..." If you are particularly concerned with engine algorithms, search trees are of course the be-all and end-all. Also something for mathematicians, computer scientists or stray electrical engineers like me

    In general, the following applies: whoever practices wins! Anyone who works outside of chess in such theoretical constructs will certainly have a "training advantage", but ask Magnus Carlson whether he was able to solve 4th order differential equations at the age of 10

    Greetings, Frank

  • 08.03.2007, 11:10 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 6

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Perhaps good mathematicians are more interested in abstract thinking than others? I dont know

    Changed by Kiffing (March 8th, 2007 at 12:10 pm) Reason: Post should not be changed.


  • 08.03.2007, 12:08 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 7

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by naphta

    Perhaps good mathematicians are more interested in abstract thinking than others? I dont know

    I actually find chess very concrete.

  • 08.03.2007, 12:22 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 8th

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by fisherman

    [...] and Kasparov is of the opinion that you don't have to be too good at math to play CHESS well

    you have to say that kasparov is a real math ace.

    greetings Bobby

  • 08.03.2007, 12:34 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 9

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    In the endgame, I think it's definitely not bad to be good at math ... at least I often make miscalculations. But otherwise the so-called "calculation errors" are simply that you overlook a candidate's move by the opponent and then get caught on the wrong foot (at least that's how I feel) ... Personally, I would not overestimate the mathematical talent, although it is for many players sure is an important factor. For a player with a good sense of position, however, arithmetic will not be that much in the foreground ...
    Casco


  • 03/08/2007, 1:44 pm Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 10

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by Kiffing

    I actually find chess very concrete.

    It is. I meant the calculation of variants or the result of a variant calculation is abstract. It actually only represents a plan. I also referred to the variant calculation in my article. Did you delete this post, kiffing?

  • 03/08/2007, 1:49 pm Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 11

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Yeah, accidentally. I'm sorry. I confused the citation function with the editing function (only mod function). But you are welcome to rewrite the post again. And I'll be more careful in the future.


  • 08.03.2007, 14:10 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 12

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    My math professor (1st + 2nd semester) once said that one had to develop the mathematical "grid view". What was meant by this was that one should learn to recognize known elements in arbitrarily complex equations or the possibility of being able to trace an expression back to something known and manageable.
    A position in a game of chess is also made up of many different positional, tactical, material, temporal and spatial elements. Whoever keeps an overview and forges the right plans will probably be a good chess player.


  • 08.03.2007, 14:52 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 13

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    for me it is like this:
    I have developed a lot in chess in the last two years . in the math school there are only catastrophes (no exaggeration!)

  • 08.03.2007, 15:03 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 14

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    @massaker: Have you tried doing less for chess and more for school?

  • 08.03.2007, 15:05 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 15

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    for me it is like this:
    I have developed a lot in chess over the last two years. in maths school there are only catastrophes (no exaggeration!)
    ... then let's first play a game of the royal game in the chess field next Wednesday evening (see "regular date on schach.de") and then we have fun in the chat with a "curve discussion" ...

    Quote by strategist
    @massaker: Have you tried doing less for chess and more for school?

    GOOD TIP!!!

    Should also be more promising ...

    Last edited by Seraphin; 03/08/2007 at 5:57 PM.


  • 03/08/2007, 3:11 PM Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 16

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by Fluid Dynamics
    ... then let's play a game of the royal game in the chess field next Wednesday evening (see "regular date on schach.de") and then we have fun in the chat with a "curve discussion" ...
    Sorry to play on schach.de is too expensive for me (I need a flat rate)

    Quote by FluidDynamics
    GOOD TIP!!!

    Could also be more promising for the future ...
    I tried it but didn't work except that I just played garbage!

    Changed by Kiffing (March 8th, 2007 at 3:19 pm) Reason: please no double posts


  • 08.03.2007, 15:13 Do you have to be a good mathematician to be able to play chess? # 17

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    So I'm not a professional chess professional, but in maths, to put it mildly, I'm bad (well, I'm in most subjects). So I can not imagine that you have to be able to math. As it is well known, you have to think a lot in maths and in chess too. What then means that a good math student can think well and can use this talent in chess. But who has to be good at maths? You never need the garbage like this again


  • 08.03.2007, 15:13 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 18

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Then you have the wrong "trainer" in this area ...

    Quote by SuperAlex123

    So I'm not a professional chess professional, but in maths, to put it mildly, I'm bad (well, I'm in most subjects). So I can not imagine that you have to be able to math. As it is known, you have to think a lot in maths and in chess too. What then means that a good math student can think well and can use this talent in chess. But who has to be good at maths? You never need the garbage like this again

    Hm ... at your 16 years of age, I think this statement is a bit dangerous. I don't think you've already learned a lot of math that you won't need anymore.

    ... unless you become a successful, intuitively acting professional chess player (whose finances are led by a righteous manager)

    Last edited by Seraphin; 03/08/2007 at 5:58 PM.


  • 08.03.2007, 15:17 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 19

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    I once relied on math at schacvh:
    I had 2 pawns less and had the opportunity to win back one pawn but had to swap all of the pieces. "mathematically" I improved the position. "chessically" the endgame with minus pawns was more unsustainable

    So: MATH IS ****** and you don't need it for chess!


  • 08.03.2007, 15:19 Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess? # 20

    Do you have to be a good mathematician to play chess?

    Quote by massacre99

    I once relied on math at schacvh:
    I had 2 pawns less and had the opportunity to win back one pawn but had to swap all of the pieces. "mathematically" I improved the position. "chessically" the endgame with minus pawns was more unsustainable

    So: MATH IS ****** and you don't need it for chess!

    In such a case, the mathematician would reply: "The model was suboptimal ..."


    If you were better at math, you would have thought that a weighted ratio of, say, 5 to 5 pieces + 4 to 2 pawns is still better than a ratio of 1 to 1 pieces + 3 to 2 pawns ... voila, the math works!