How is optimistic nihilism different from hedonism?
• Sascha Fast
Hedonism is the attitude that nothing matters more than lust. It is the addiction to pleasure. It is the preservation of the emotional, naive relationship to pleasure. Everything that makes you want is good. Anything that causes pain is bad.
Once you have decided that life is meaningless, you get stuck on a low level of meaning. Meaning arises from a harmonious relationship between order and chaos. But the nihilist denies that there can be a balanced relationship at all. Hedonism and nihilism are equally important to rejection. So they can create one another.
As hedonist one closes oneself to the possibility of a harmonious relationship between pleasure and pain. The world only divides into pleasure and pain, while both are directed towards no purpose. They appear as an end in themselves, so the corollary to being a hedonist is to maximize pleasure and minimize pain. Chaos always only appears as pain and order always appears only as pleasure. Because life can only be meaningful and meaningful when order and chaos are in a harmonious relationship to one another, there is neither meaning nor meaning for it. What remains is the naive, emotional view of pleasure and pain. The life of a hedonist is pleasure, suffering and naivete.
As nihilist one already denies the possibility of a harmonious relationship between order and chaos. One denies the possibility of meaning and meaning. For him, too, the world is nothing more than pleasure and pain. If the nihilist still has the opportunity to fill his life with lust, he will still do so. Hedonism is not an escape from nihilism. Rather, hedonism is the nihilistic flight from the worse consequences of nihilism, such as declaring war on life.
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11 responses to "hedonism and nihilism"
- Fellow readers
“So for him the world is nothing more than pleasure and pain. If the nihilist still has the opportunity to fill his life with lust, he will still do so. "
I can't follow you: Why is the world reduced to pleasure and pain? Is that biologically justified? And I don't understand why a nihilist inevitably (as I understand you) fills his life with lust. Would be interesting if you could write something about it. In this way, the nihilist would give pleasure priority over pain.reply
- compulsory thunder
Moin fellow readers,
the underlying model is that meaning is made up of chaos and order. These, in turn, are the complex refinements of pleasure and pain. The brain basically uses pain as a kind of substance to map chaos. Because of this, there can be psychological pain. If you are a nihilist, you can no longer see the components of order in chaos or in order.
For example, one cannot understand the behavior of people when they seek chaos or avoid order, even if that would restore order. They only attribute everything to pleasure and pain. For example, they don't understand why artists keep pushing themselves to the limits of their minds. A nihilistic assessment boils down to the fact that artists end up doing it for recognition or are simply sick.
It does not necessarily mean that the nihilist becomes a hedonist. He can also become a mass murderer or suicide. It's a chicken and egg problem. But a bird is not a chicken. :)
In other words: hedonism and nihilism are two sides of the same coin. But there are other medals that are nihilistic currency.
But also in a very practical way: When you don't care about anything and you only have your feelings. Then it is already reflexively purposeful to seek pleasure and to avoid pain. :)reply
In the end, aren't hedonists and nihilists equally stupid ?! One recognizes the possibility of a harmonious relationship between pain and pleasure, but closes himself off from it, while the other himself rejects the possibility of a harmonious relationship between pain and pleasure. In the end, both of them stand there without a harmonious relationship between pain and pleasure ... so they have achieved nothing. So what's the bottom line?reply
- compulsory thunder
A hedonist is a hedonist. So yes. :)
The problem with both of them is that they believe the true ”way of looking at life is that it consists of * only There is pain and pleasure. The bottom line is: pain and pleasure pass. What carries people are meaning and meaning.
- compulsory thunder
But sense and meaning vanish or change too?reply
- Sascha Fast
Please examples and reasons. :)
If I search for pleasure through my senses (I have no other choice) and want to avoid pain in order to experience a good and happy life, then I give things or people etc. a meaning as they are in my mind to achieve my goal "S contribute. If pleasure (to be happy) and pain (to be unhappy) are exchanged here for meaning and meaning, then please also which sense and which meaning (not metaphisical) that do not have to change through time and circumstance ... ..Thank you!
- Sascha Fast
Sense and meaning always work on the subject of pleasure (to be happy) and pain (to be unhappy). Every sense or every meaning claims to carry us to happiness. But this also does the simple hedonistic formula: Pleasure (happy) gain pain Avoid (unhappy). The ways of achieving happiness are as many as the sand by the sea. And I've already walked many. The only ones that wear permanently and are spared from moth and rust are metaphysical and therefore a matter of faith. Whom it helps ? Each one his….reply
Sense (purpose) are goal-oriented something changes ... meanings are assumptions who have the authority to interpret ... is right ... something changesreply
The quintessence (essential) of what sustains us is ... we don't know. But we long to find a reason to orient ourselves! The dualistic world offers us 2 poles ... thesis ... antithesis etc. Our mind has the possibility to find a synthesis (if it is good we will be happy through it, because it is neither this nor that ... but you ... it is nice you givereply
Now it's your turn ... but your turn. Sashareply
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