# How many mathematicians are there

## Number of math students

**zzz**π 10.08.2011 15:11:01

**Number of math students**

Hello,

do you have empirical values ββor statistics about how many math students there are in the first semester? (On average or at your university)

It would also be interesting to know how many% of those who started studying math achieve the Bachelor's degree.

And additional information on how many math students are left after a year (2 semesters) would also be nice.

Or if you are a math student, you can simply tell which semester you are in and how many are currently "in".

Kind regards

do you have empirical values ββor statistics about how many math students there are in the first semester? (On average or at your university)

It would also be interesting to know how many% of those who started studying math achieve the Bachelor's degree.

And additional information on how many math students are left after a year (2 semesters) would also be nice.

Or if you are a math student, you can simply tell which semester you are in and how many are currently "in".

Kind regards

**Almond bread**π 10.08.2011 17:27:40

**Re: number of math students**

Here is some information from the job traffic light:

In my year 35 people started studying. This year 6-8 of them will get their bachelor's degree, so in the standard period of study. Then there are about as many who will also make it at some point. The rest fell off within a year.

Almost all dropouts take place in the first two semesters.

*The number of undergraduate graduates will grow to over 4,000 graduates per year through 2017. 1125 mathematicians completed their bachelor's degree in 2009. 915 students are starting a masterβs degree*In my year 35 people started studying. This year 6-8 of them will get their bachelor's degree, so in the standard period of study. Then there are about as many who will also make it at some point. The rest fell off within a year.

Almost all dropouts take place in the first two semesters.

**zzz**π 10.08.2011 18:18:58

**Re: number of math students**

The number 35 sounds good. Then you have / did you have a pleasant atmosphere or am I wrong?

Hopefully the number at my university will be about as high this year.

And with ~ 1000 degrees per year (in the whole of D I suppose) that means for you / me / us that we have a shortage of mathematicians, doesn't it?

That means that the main thing is to get a degree, with so few "competitors" the grades are secondary. Or how do you see that / do you see that?

Other empirical values ββare also welcome.

Kind regards

Hopefully the number at my university will be about as high this year.

And with ~ 1000 degrees per year (in the whole of D I suppose) that means for you / me / us that we have a shortage of mathematicians, doesn't it?

That means that the main thing is to get a degree, with so few "competitors" the grades are secondary. Or how do you see that / do you see that?

Other empirical values ββare also welcome.

Kind regards

**Almond bread**π 10.08.2011 20:44:25

**Re: number of math students**

Mathematics lectures are so demanding for most people that one cannot understand the lectures, no matter how many people are sitting there. And even if there are only 5 people sitting there, you can't ask any questions because everything becomes incomprehensible so quickly.

I would definitely recommend a university with a lot of students. You have more choices and more lecturers to choose from for projects and the thesis.

The job prospects seem good in and of themselves. However, there are also many arrogant mathematicians who, knowing this, do very little for their studies, because they think that they will find a job anyway.

I would definitely recommend a university with a lot of students. You have more choices and more lecturers to choose from for projects and the thesis.

The job prospects seem good in and of themselves. However, there are also many arrogant mathematicians who, knowing this, do very little for their studies, because they think that they will find a job anyway.

**zzz**π 11.08.2011 00:15:48

**Re: number of math students**

I don't care about job prospects or how much I have to do for my studies. As long as I get the degree because that's my goal.

With such a demanding course of study, I cannot afford to think about my future, good / bad grades or a lot / little work.

Not meant arrogantly, but at least you study one of the subjects that belongs to the top of the chain in my opinion. (But that's not why I'm studying it).

That with the questions / lectures, how do you come to understand things? Through tutorials?

I prefer a small group because you can spend more time with the teacher, i.e. an exchange can take place better. That's how you know it from school.

With 200 people you can't imagine that, so I'm more in favor of a smaller number. But since I haven't seen the inside of a university yet, I must have the wrong idea about it.

And what do you mean by projects? What projects do math students have to tackle?

Kind regards

With such a demanding course of study, I cannot afford to think about my future, good / bad grades or a lot / little work.

Not meant arrogantly, but at least you study one of the subjects that belongs to the top of the chain in my opinion. (But that's not why I'm studying it).

That with the questions / lectures, how do you come to understand things? Through tutorials?

I prefer a small group because you can spend more time with the teacher, i.e. an exchange can take place better. That's how you know it from school.

With 200 people you can't imagine that, so I'm more in favor of a smaller number. But since I haven't seen the inside of a university yet, I must have the wrong idea about it.

And what do you mean by projects? What projects do math students have to tackle?

Kind regards

**Almond bread**π 11.08.2011 09:41:16

**Re: number of math students**

Come on, don't be humble. Job prospects are important. Math is just too hard to study for interest.

You will pass if you can work hard and if you are resistant to frustration. When you stick to a task even if you haven't got a step ahead in the last half hour.

You already understand this in self-study and in exercise groups. For this it is important that they are small. But the large number of students does not mean that the practice groups are large. Because such universities can simply hire more assistants.

In my Bachelor's degree I had two group work (projects) on freely chosen topics. We had to write articles. Whether you have something like this depends on the structure of your studies.

You will pass if you can work hard and if you are resistant to frustration. When you stick to a task even if you haven't got a step ahead in the last half hour.

You already understand this in self-study and in exercise groups. For this it is important that they are small. But the large number of students does not mean that the practice groups are large. Because such universities can simply hire more assistants.

In my Bachelor's degree I had two group work (projects) on freely chosen topics. We had to write articles. Whether you have something like this depends on the structure of your studies.

**Maxwell33**π 22.08.2011 09:36:03

**Re: number of math students**

Hello,

So we were a little more than 200 freshmen at the beginning and after a year that had about halved. I know from higher semesters that this number remains relatively stable from the third semester onwards. So if you pack the first year, chances are you will pack it all over. From the first bachelor's degree, only half of the graduates made it within the standard period of study. So I can back up the experience of Mandelbrot.

I would also recommend a university with a larger math area.

There are usually more options and in the second year at the latest you will be sitting in small lectures anyway. In our practice groups we are only 5-15 people.

In the lecture itself it's not like in school. Don't confuse that. The rush to talk to the lecturer is rather small and therefore not a problem. In the lecture itself, you tend to listen to a monologue and not an interactive conversation between lecturer and student. And the more people in the lecture, the higher the chance someone will ask the same stupid question that you don't dare to ask ...

So we were a little more than 200 freshmen at the beginning and after a year that had about halved. I know from higher semesters that this number remains relatively stable from the third semester onwards. So if you pack the first year, chances are you will pack it all over. From the first bachelor's degree, only half of the graduates made it within the standard period of study. So I can back up the experience of Mandelbrot.

I would also recommend a university with a larger math area.

There are usually more options and in the second year at the latest you will be sitting in small lectures anyway. In our practice groups we are only 5-15 people.

In the lecture itself it's not like in school. Don't confuse that. The rush to talk to the lecturer is rather small and therefore not a problem. In the lecture itself, you tend to listen to a monologue and not an interactive conversation between lecturer and student. And the more people in the lecture, the higher the chance someone will ask the same stupid question that you don't dare to ask ...

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